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Republican Waterloo

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:02 am
by Dardedar
David Frum, former speechwriter to President George W. Bush:

Waterloo

March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:

A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

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Re: Republican Waterloo

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:33 pm
by Doug
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Everybody sing!

"My my, at Waterloo Napoleon did surrender.
Oh yeah, and I have met my destiny in quite a similar way.
The history book on the shelf
Is always repeating itself.

Waterloo - I was defeated, you won the war..."

Re: Republican Waterloo

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:31 pm
by L.Wood
In addition to their "Loo" status, Rwingers are batshit luny, according to Harris poll:

"Confirmed! GOP batshit insane"

Conservatives were outraged at our January poll suggesting that Republicans were batshit insane. But it wasn't so much the results which they challenged, but the veracity of the pollster and of us. Rather than argue that Republicans weren't birthers (they are), they tried to discredit the organization commissioning the poll (us).

Well, another non-partisan pollster, Harris, has reported similar results:

* 67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist. * 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim * 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" * 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" * Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

The GOP base is full of all-out lunatics, motivated and fueled by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and the rest of the neo-Birchers of the conservative movement. As long as they hold sway with the Republican Party, compromise will be impossible. They won't allow it.

Daily kos is here

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Re: Republican Waterloo

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:15 pm
by Betsy
Soooo... David Frum got kicked out of the GOP Think Tank for all his straight talk - they especially didn't like the part where he said that FOX news has become the boss of the republican party...

huff po

Re: Republican Waterloo

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:59 pm
by kwlyon
Betsy wrote:Soooo... David Frum got kicked out of the GOP Think Tank for all his straight talk - they especially didn't like the part where he said that FOX news has become the boss of the republican party...

huff po
What do you expect. The republican party is a fascist party. They do not except any level of decent...at least not over issues that they care about.

Re: Republican Waterloo

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:11 am
by L.Wood
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Whose Country Is It?

By CHARLES M. BLOW

The far-right extremists have gone into conniptions.

The bullying, threats, and acts of violence following the passage of health care reform have been shocking, but they’re only the most recent manifestations of an increasing sense of desperation.

It’s an extension of a now-familiar theme: some version of “take our country back.” The problem is that the country romanticized by the far right hasn’t existed for some time, and its ability to deny that fact grows more dim every day. President Obama and what he represents has jolted extremists into the present and forced them to confront the future. And it scares them.

Even the optics must be irritating. A woman (Nancy Pelosi) pushed the health care bill through the House. The bill’s most visible and vocal proponents included a gay man (Barney Frank) and a Jew (Anthony Weiner). And the black man in the White House signed the bill into law. It’s enough to make a good old boy go crazy.
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Politically, this frustration is epitomized by the Tea Party movement. It may have some legitimate concerns (taxation, the role of government, etc.), but its message is lost in the madness. And now the anemic Republican establishment, covetous of the Tea Party’s passion, is moving to absorb it, not admonish it. Instead of jettisoning the radical language, rabid bigotry and rising violence, the Republicans justify it. (They don’t want to refute it as much as funnel it.)
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A Quinnipiac University poll released on Wednesday took a look at the Tea Party members and found them to be just as anachronistic to the direction of the country’s demographics as the Republican Party. For instance, they were disproportionately white, evangelical Christian and “less educated ... than the average Joe and Jane Six-Pack.” This at a time when the country is becoming more diverse (some demographers believe that 2010 could be the first year that most children born in the country will be nonwhite), less doctrinally dogmatic, and college enrollment is through the roof. The Tea Party, my friends, is not the future.

You may want “your country back,” but you can’t have it. That sound you hear is the relentless, irrepressible march of change. Welcome to America: The Remix.

....NYT column is here.
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