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Reva NXG is a two-seater battery electric car with an extended range of 125 miles per charge and a speed that can reach 75 MPH.

The NXG is fitted with a ‘wireless tablet’ --an embedded appliance that integrates into a high resolution single touch-screen display system with all dashboard functions such as speed, state of charge, range and critical sensor inputs, as well as GPS-based in-vehicle navigation, a GPRS modem for internet, e-mail and MP3 music. A small turning radius of just 3.5 meters (11.48 feet) makes it easy to park and turn in difficult city traffic conditions. The REVA car is selling moderately well in Britain (50 per month), and is appropriately named the G-Wiz.

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It's cute (although convertables aren't my thing). I take it you can't get those in America. Any idea about when we might be able to get them? How much do they cost & is there any "storage space" behind the seats (like for groceries)?
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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:It's cute (although convertables aren't my thing). I take it you can't get those in America.
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Correct. The Department of Transportation won't let them in.
Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:Any idea about when we might be able to get them?
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When gas reaches $4.50 a gallon?
Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:How much do they cost & is there any "storage space" behind the seats (like for groceries)?
They aren't very expensive. I forget how much they are. I think I already posted something about the British version, the G-wiz. There isn't a whole lot of storage space, unless you are driving alone.
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Oh well, since I average less than 100 miles per month, it probably wouldn't make much difference even if I could 1) afford one & 2) legally buy one.
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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:Oh well, since I average less than 100 miles per month, it probably wouldn't make much difference even if I could 1) afford one & 2) legally buy one.
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The G-wiz website has a sale until April 30th. £7,799, saving £500. Plus, you may choose free leather seats!

£7,799 = $14,276.64 United States Dollars. Of course, you'd have to pay another couple of thousand to have it shipped here, if it were allowed.

If you go 100 miles per month at, say, 20 miles per gallon, at, say, 3 dollars a gallon, that's a whopping $15.00 a month!

On the other hand, the G-wiz charges in 2.5 hours for 80% of the range and 6 hours for the full 100%.

Imagine a 6-hour charge, for 7 cents a kilowatt hour. That's 32 cents a charge. The range is about 40 miles, so you have to charge it up the equivalent of 2.5 times a month to go 100 miles. That's 80 cents a month.
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Let's see $15/month - .80/month = $14.20. The G-wiz would pay for itself in 1005.39 months (83.78 years) - not counting the shipping and taxes. (And I actually average 25 mpg.) Of course, I would be saving 32-40 lb of CO2 a month (estimating 8 lb CO2/gal gas burned). I honestly don't remember how many trees I'd have to plant (or incandescent light bulbs I'd have to replace) to balance that.
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Oops. I forgot to subtract the CO2 the power plant generated creating the electricity to run the G-wiz.

Back in the day - when I lived in Houston or Kansas City, for instance - when I drove closer to 100 miles a day (alright, every 2 days), the G-wiz would have made a lot more sense for me.
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Don't get your hopes up. I have found much of the stuff posted at Doug's "pleiades-enterprises" site to be very optimistic to say the least. EV is sort of a new age religion for them and if you follow their links you will see that many of their claims are already out of date (x will happen in '04 or '05). Or the links are dead.

I have read enough hype and wishful thinking. I am pissed that I can't buy an electric car NOW.

Another battery scam is that we don't have rechargeable AA lithium Ion batteries. They would kick ass and take a huge chunk out of the throwaway market. We are being shagged.

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Still cheap!

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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:Let's see $15/month - .80/month = $14.20. The G-wiz would pay for itself in 1005.39 months (83.78 years) - not counting the shipping and taxes.
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And how long would it take your gas-eating car to pay for itself..?

Of course, when it comes to repairs, electric cars have an edge over internal combustion engines. No exhaust system, no carburetor, no timing belt, no spark plugs, no pistons, etc. etc. And less oil. Electric motors do have problems, but they seem to be head and shoulders above the internal combustion engine.

Maybe ditching your car and buying an electric one would not be a good idea, but buying electric when your gas car runs out (if the electric option is available) would make sense, especially given your minimal driving habits.
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That's why I was asking about conversion (of course, my '83 Datsun is beat up enough my best friend thinks I'm nuts for even considering converting it/getting it converted). Unfortunately, before I could afford the payments on a new EV, I'd have to pay my house off (about 10 years down the pike) and I'll probably be too close to retirement to take on that kind on economic committment then. And Darrel is right about the batteries - the technology is already there, but subsidized "free market" industry refuses to implement it.
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Oh - and to answer Doug's question - I bought my Datsun used for $450 - and then spent another $350 getting the brakes fixed so it was roadworthy. I paid both with credit card checks, and had those paid off in 6 months.
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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:I paid both with credit card checks, and had those paid off in 6 months.
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OK, but your car didn't save you so much that IT paid for it.
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Depends on what I'd been driving before getting the Datsun - which is sort of not fair, since I was sharing a car with a roommate and coworker, but had to get my own when I changed jobs. Prior to that I had a Mazda wagon (same mileage - 25 mpg, $2K), before that a Plymouth Horizon (same mileage, $3.5K), before that a '60 Ford Falcon (straight 6 - about 13 mpg, $500), before that a '68 Mercury wagon (v-8, 11 mpg, $2K) - that covers 30 years of cars. I have no idea how to figure "pay for itself" on this lot.
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The TZERO

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The TZERO by California company, AC Propulsion.

300 Mile range at 60mph!

Tom Hanks is apparently helping to fund this company.

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Now THAT is likely to get the current SUV drivers going! You can have conspicuous consumption AND be green!
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Look what I just bought, sight unseen, from a dealer in Texas:

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Costs 15 cents to charge. Goes 40-50 miles. Has an excellent new silicon based battery technology which charges fast and allows up to 10,000 cycles if you don't deep discharge. Top speed about 35 mph.

Read a review here:

http://www.electric-scooter-world.com/R ... xSport.htm

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I want one!

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That looks just like what I need. (The scooter, the scooter!)

But how many bags of Ozarkia currency does it cost? Just under $3,000 with shipping, isn't it?
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That's right.

Oh, and 15 cents for a charge up that takes you 45 miles works out to 3 miles to the penny. If gas is $3 per gallon, that is equivalent to 900 mpg.

Not quite as good as a Pukka, but pretty good nonetheless.

Another interesting article on the E-Max:

http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=art ... oryid=1009

A kid named Jason that is just nuts about his E-max and has a blog all about it:

http://e-max.us/
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Not enough cargo space for groceries (or grandkids). Besides, what I like best about cars is door-to-door protection from the elements - scooters don't do that. The energy rating is spectacular, though. Unlikely that cars will ever be that good.
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People are going nuts over these mopeds:

High gas prices propel a new 'moped madness'

ATLANTA - How it happened, Devin Biek still isn't exactly sure.

Infatuation with an Italian Vespa scooter led this resident of Elkhart, Ind., to an ad on eBay, a trip to Iowa, and a triumphant return with a 1978 Rizzato Califfo moped that wouldn't start. After its carburetor was de-gummed, the creature roared to life in a puff of blue exhaust.

Four years later, Mr. Biek is still hooked. "Once you ride one, you have to have one," he says. "It's consumed my entire life, and I have no real explanation for it."

The moped and its bigger, flashier cousin, the scooter, are swarming out of Jimmy Carter's America and into George W. Bush's republic - a movement propelled by soaring gasoline prices surpassing those of the late 1970s and by legions of Americans who take seriously the call for oil independence. If the serious intent is mixed with a little fun from "moped gangs" who call themselves the Heck's Angels or the Hardly Davidsons, so much the merrier.

Though Gen-Xers and baby boomers are among those flinging a leg over these two-wheelers, the vehicles may owe their newfound cachet to their embrace by a younger set. Sometimes called "the millennials," they are said to embody a sense of social purpose, adopt a "team" approach to life, and rebel from their elders by hewing to the small-scale. It's an attitude with a simple message: Small-bore is cool.

"This [moped resurgence] is a reflection of a deeper generational shift going on," says Neil Howe, a cultural historian and coauthor of "Millennials Rising: The Next Great Generation." "The idea of a big, bad, dangerous gas-guzzling machine is not the millennial style. They prefer something that is not only socially responsible in a big sense, but also in a little sense: It makes less noise, and it's less likely to get them into an accident."

Though mopeds have conquered most of the globe, their acceptance in the United States has sputtered, at best.

But places like Atlanta - a temperate, young-blooded city where travel through interconnected neighborhoods is safe, and where Euro cool is evident in clothing shops and restaurants - the small-bore engine is increasingly seen as a fun, practical choice.

Scooter dealer Bill Gornto knew he was onto something after hurricane Katrina, when some gas pumps around Atlanta read $9 a gallon and people came in "looking like zombies." He said he became a "scooter therapist," selling a record 20 scooters that week. "I almost felt guilty about it," he says, "but then people were telling me, 'No, man, you're doing a good thing.' "

Atlanta commuter Jeff Smith never really saw himself as a motorcycle guy. But four months ago he bought a used Vespa and soon purchased a second, larger one that's fast enough to take on the interstate. "I worried people were going to say, 'Why are you riding your girlfriend's bike?' " says Mr. Smith. "But instead people stop me every day and ask: 'What is it? How many miles to the gallon does it get? And how much does it cost?' "

To be sure, US sales of small-bore cycles aren't yet at their peak - 300,000 units in 1978. But sales are up 500 percent since 1999, and rose from 83,000 units sold in 2004 to 130,000 in 2005, according to the Motorcycle Industry Council. A new moped starts at $1,000, and fancy scooters go for more than $5,000. What distinguishes the scooter from the motorcycle is mainly its small-bore engine and small-diameter tires.

In fact, the tattered denim jackets and faux toughness of moped enthusiasts are boldly tongue-in-cheek, open invitations to small-bore envy. While the age of the average scooter owner has nearly doubled in the past five years to over 40, cultural experts credit mopeds' acceptance to the cachet of the kids, who often travel in packs.

The Creatures of the Loin gang out of San Francisco's rough-and-tumble Tenderloin District grew from 25 to nearly 100 since 2004. In Chicago's Ukrainian Village, the Peddy Cash gang, bundled in wool caps, often ride into the wee hours. The Moped Army was founded in Kalamazoo, Mich., and boasts about 300 members. The subject of a documentary film and a comic book, the Army draws about 10,000 regular visitors to its website. Its motto: "Swarm and destroy."

The "millennial" generation, born just as the moped faded from American roads in the early 1980s, is the vehicle's perfect arbiter, some experts say. Coddled and safety-conscious, it also has an unapologetic sense of civic awareness. "This is a generation that has no need to prove themselves by riding around on a big motorcycle on the weekends; they're already cool," says Ann Fishman, CEO of Generational Targeted Marketing Corp. in New Orleans.

So far, the moped remains a stranger in a land where a full-size truck is a top-selling passenger vehicle. Fatalities of moped riders have doubled since 1999, to 100 in 2005. But nonfatal accidents dropped over the same period, from 6,000 to 5,000, says the National Safety Council in Itasca, Ill.

To many riders, everything about the moped makes sense. "There's the price, the gas mileage, the whole retro thing, belonging to a unique group," says Biek. "Besides that, they're phenomenal machines."
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