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Yeah...Um...Grey....not entirely certain what your point is here....However this certainly does fall into the whole "threat of ETERNAL damnation" thing....and I spend a lot of time here defending you...so would you mind steering clear of this rather nasty little piece of rhetoric?... Please.... for me? I'll be your best friend.

yeah Greybear,
threats of hell and damnation are getting so old. All we ask for is a little evidence. Instead we get threats of torture after we die. It just doesn't work anymore for me. I don't fear death and I know it'll happen sooner or later. I can't know for certain what happens after death and neither can you. Lots of people say different things. Who do I believe? You, the Hindus, the Buddhists, The Muslims? Why should I believe any of you. Is it such a sin to say I don't know and I'm not going to assume anything?

Speaking of death, I saw an interesting segment on a TV medical program. In order to do surgery on a women's lung, they basically kill her (clinically dead) for over one hour. They literally drained all of her blood out so she had no pulse so they could see to remove scar tissue from her lungs. Then they put her blood back in and then restarted her heart. The trick to making this work is that they chilled her blood and body to ~70 degrees before removing it and then very slowly warmed it back up before reviving her. She seemed to make a complete recovery after the operation.

For those who believe you meet your maker when you die, I wonder what they think about this.

Tim

tmiller51 wrote:For those who believe you meet your maker when you die, I wonder what they think about this.

DAR
Wow. Interesting. Well to answer your question. You go before your maker, and if your not "ready"... Instant Toast!

Then they put your blood back in, you go back into your body (carefully following the "silver cord") and then all is well until you die again and get to meet him again. And if you're not "ready" Instant Toast!

D.

I like toast....

Oh and CREAM CHEEESE!!!! YUMMY!

Hi Kevin,

Your friendship is valuable to me and, as fragile as it is, I don't want to jeopardize that so I will "lay down" with this God jargon...no one is hearing it anyway. It's as if I am speaking in a different dialect.

The only reason I have replied to the thread is for the entertainment value...something to help with the lonliness.

"According to the Teachers, there is only one
thing that all people possess equally. This is
their loneliness. No two people on the face of
this earth are alike in any one thing except for
their loneliness. This is the cause of our
Growing, but it is also the cause of our wars.
Love, hate, greed and generosity are all rooted
within our loneliness, within our desire to be
needed and loved." SEVEN ARROWS Hyemeyohsts Storm

P.S. As I have already said, I don't believe in "ETERNAL damnation".

Best regards,
Graybear

Fragile:)...right...Grey buddy...you couldn't make me dislike you if you tired! Oh, and you can lay down the god thing if you want...or not...you will get friction for it here but it doesn't really offend me. You may want to steer clear of the whole hell thing though....again....it doesn't offend me but it is rather weak.

kwlyon wrote: You may want to steer clear of the whole hell thing though....again....it doesn't offend me but it is rather weak.

DAR
Graybear doesn't believe in the hell doctrine of punishment, he believes in the "Instant Toast" doctrine. A nuanced yet important distinction.

Hey Graybear, you should come to a freethinker meeting. It's impossible to be lonely at a freethinker meeting.

Thank you, Darrel, for the kind invite...

I don't get out much but I might show up sometime.

Oh! I'm sorry I misunderstood. I LOVE toast! I wish I had one of those toasters with artificial intelligence from Red Dwarf. Grey, feel free to threaten me with instant toast, bagels, or anything that I can eat with cream cheese. As for attending a meeting, I would love to get to meet you. We usually go out and eat afterwords. I think you will find we are ALL much friendlier in person. However the entire point is to debate openly and honestly so as to learn from each other. Don't expect to be treated with kid gloves...but you will be treated with respect.

And I apologize for putting words in your mouth. I was being a lazy reader and misunderstood what you were saying I think. It was certainly not intentional.

Kevin

I like toast. So does this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUNIKbX_kUg

And don't miss the bonus verse in the live version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BILAFuSi-i0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUf2aYZoTMg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obIGsb-IZMo *unrelated*

luvs it...