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ThoughtsAloud "Taxpayers" essay

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Dave has an essay entitled Who really pays MOST Taxes? on his Thoughts Aloud site. Here are some comments I wrote before I was banned. Readers may want to read the original essay linked above before reading my response.

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It has been documented that virtually all paper money (dollars, anyway) have traces of cocaine on them. Basically, most money ultimately came from a coke dealer. Thus (according to the reasoning of the essay Who really pays MOST Taxes?) cocaine dealers "ultimately" pay almost all taxes. One suspects that something is wrong with this argument. Such suspicions are correct - the essay is flawed by bad economics. The error: Just because money has gone through someone's possession, doesn't mean that possessor pays subsequent taxes. There are other errors in the article. E.g.
Taxpayer essay wrote:Business taxes, whatever form they take, are just another cost of doing business.  ALL business costs are, of necessity, passed on to the consumer. It could not be otherwise.
It does not follow that the consumer is paying the tax (from the fact that business costs are "passed on to the consumer.") Does taxing something raise consumer demand for it? Of course not. Thus, if the price of the widget is simply raised, the number sold will fall. The business's rate of return diminishes. Or if the price of the widget is not raised, then the profit margin for the business is less. Either way (or if the price is raised only somewhat), the loss accrues to the business, not to the consumer. Only if the demand for the widget is perfectly inelastic will the seller be able to raise the price without diminishing total revenue. But then, he would have raised it even without a tax! Bottom line: Assuming that demand is not totally elastic nor totally inelastic, both the business and the customers suffer from the tax; who pays more depending on the elasticity.

The main point of the essay - that only/mainly consumers pay tax - fails. The essay is about all taxes, but since income tax is a major part of total taxation, the following chart gives pretty good evidence that the rich pay most.

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Note that the bottom 50% of income earners pay only 4.3% of all income tax revenue. The top 5% pay over half. This explains why big-spender politicians don't mind cutting taxes for the lower half - it costs them little and gains support for soaking the rich. Cf: The Rich Getting Soaked.

Now don't get me wrong - the poor working stiff suffers most from taxation. Wealth stolen from the rich and blown by the State is money not used for capital goods (machines) and thus not used in employing people, creating better higher-paying jobs, and so on. The plundered loot is blown by government on foreign wars, things that blow up and don't raise anyone's standard of living, paying people to not work, to subsidize inefficient projects that can't hack it on the market, to reward political cronies, to maintain the highest incarceration rate in the world primarily for political and victimless crimes, and so on.

The essay does make some very good points. Government employees (and government pensioners, milfare retirees, etc.) do not pay taxes. They are pure tax consumers. Another good point: Regulations and mandates amount to taxes. (Even the forced collection of taxes for the government, i.e. all the paperwork and trouble involved, amounts to a tax.) Another point is right, but misses that which is unseen: "Rich folks are not the ones who suffer from high taxes." True, but all those who would have become rich, were it not for higher government extortion are worse off.

The "truth in payroll" idea is wonderful! It is absolutely true that the hidden nature of withholding makes State plunder more palatable. It is unlikely that the State could get away with current tax rates without withholding - people would rebel. Withholding was ostensibly a temporary war measure enacted during WWII. As they say, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.

One hidden tax that concerns me a lot, that's not mentioned in the essay, is inflation. This is even more diabolically subtle than withholding - people can't feel their wallets getting lighter when governments create printing-press money. Inflation amounts to a flat tax on all dollar-denominated wealth. It hits the poor more than the rich, since the rich have more of their wealth in concrete, objective goods.
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It is still the consumer

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Bill,

I don’t know if you are just trying to appear erudite, or actually don’t grasp the concept. All the banter about cash flows, supply and demand, and the tired canards and charts about who pays the most taxes miss the point. Vis. If a business writes a check, be it to pay a tax, payroll, or a utility bill, the funds from which they do so come from one of four sources. If they are currently profitable, it comes from current revenue. If not, they can use retained earnings, which came from past revenue. If short, they can borrow it against a promise to repay it from future revenue. These three represent sales to their own customers, i.e. consumers. The only other option is to expend investment capital, which more often than not represents after tax earnings from some other enterprise, which was making profitable sales to its own customers. Of course, said capital must be replenished from future revenue or the business will fail.

I did mention inflation was the cruelest tax of all in my SOVEREIGN RIGHTS essay. In our case, it isn’t quite accurate to imply that it is the government doing the inflating. The very private Federal Reserve banking system decides how much money to print and it loans every dollar into existence at usury. Our government has nothing to say about it.

Further, there are big losers during inflation, but also big winners. Basically, it is a tax on the thrifty and a windfall for debtors. It encourages indebtedness (the modern form of slavery) and discourages savings. Why save for the future if inflation is just going to eat up your savings; better to consume now. Even better yet, borrow and consume now, then pay it back with cheaper dollars later. Just be sure to consume… and pay most of the taxes. The bankers are not stupid politicians; they know exactly what they are doing, and the sheeple go right along. -Dave
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Too many can't and don’t.
And more who could and clearly should;
"Believe" or "feel" and won’t.
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>>Even better yet, borrow and consume now, then pay it back with cheaper dollars later. Just be sure to consume…<<

That assumes that all borrowers will actually be getting MORE cheaper dollars in the future. This is often not the case for many groups of earners.
This works mostly for spectulators in securities, collectibles, commodities or real estate.

It is interesting that your post (chart) shows only the the taxes that are paid by the rich. You fail to note the untaxed income. Also your rates are from 1997. In the event you weren't paying attention Darth Cheney changed all that in '01 and '03.

If anyone is fooled into thinking those posted tax rates have shifted wealth don't be. Wealth in the USA is more concentrated than ever. I'm looking for my recent tables.
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LaWood wrote:Wealth in the USA is more concentrated than ever. I'm looking for my recent tables.
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I looked for a bit and found this (not what I was looking for):

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