More murders by Illegals than killed in Iraq

[Yick]

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
By Jim Brown
AgapePress
February 22, 2007

(AgapePress) -- Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the former INS), is a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and an advisor to Family Security Matters (FSM). He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration.

"The military actually called for the BORTAC team, ... the elite unit of the Border Patrol, to be detailed to Iraq to help to secure the Iraqi border," Cutler notes. "Now, if our military can understand that Iraq's security depends in measure on the ability to protect its border against insurgents and terrorists, then why isn't our country similarly protecting our own borders?" he asks.

"We are not five and a half years, nearly, after 9/11, and yet our borders remain open," the Center for Immigration Studies fellow observes. "We have National Guardsmen assigned on the border, but it turns out they are unarmed," he points out. "Their rules of engagement are very simple: if armed intruders head your way, run in the other direction."

This situation would "almost be comical if it wasn't so tragic," Cutler asserts. "If our borders are wide open, this means that drugs, criminals, and terrorists are entering our country just as easily as the dishwashers," he says.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program."

The federal government's Visa Waiver Program enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. According to the U.S. State Department website, the waiver program was established in 1986 with the objective of "eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel," stimulating America's tourism industry, and allowing the government to focus consular resources in other areas.

Cutler says the U.S. retains the Visa Waiver Program because the nation's travel, tourism, and hospitality industries want America's borders wide open. In other words, the former INS official contends, the nation's security is being compromised in the name of trade.

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[Doug]

The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Holy crap, what a load of racist bullshit.

Some facts:

In the 1980s and 1990s researchers have concluded, or at least have lent support to the conclusion, that immigrants commit proportionately no more than and possibly even fewer crimes than native-born citizens. The General Accounting Office, analyzing FBI records, found that foreign-born individuals accounted for about 19 percent of the total arrests in 1985 in six selected major cities. The foreign-born represented 19.6 percent of the aggregate population. While "foreign-born" can mean refer to citizens as well as aliens, the study makes an implicit case that immigrant crime is in line with the rest of the country.

Source: Center for Immigration Studies
Studies:
U.S. General Accounting Office, Criminal Aliens: INS’ Enforcement Activities, GAO/GGD-88-3, November 10, 1987. The six cities in question were Chicago, Denver, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami and New York.

The Census Bureau estimated at the time that aliens represented about 50 percent of foreign-born Americans. See "Criminal Aliens: INS Enforcement," statement of Lowell Dodge, GAO Director of Administration of Justice Issues, before the House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees and International Law, Washington, D.C.: U.S. General Accounting Office, November 1, 1989, p. 4.

Also:
Butcher and Piehl conducted a separate study of several dozen U.S. metropolitan areas. Using data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports and the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, the authors found recent immigrants had no significant effect either on crime rates or the change in rates over time. In a secondary analysis of individual data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, youths born abroad were significantly less likely than native-born youths to be criminally active.

Study that supports this:
Kristin F. Butcher and Anne Morrison Piehl, "Cross-City Evidence on the Relationship Between Immigration and Crime," Journal of Policy Analysis and Management, Vol. 17, No. 3, 1998, pp. 457-93.

Note this article:

Among the many troubling aspects of the public debate over immigration is the power of myths over facts. One of the most enduring myths about immigration, despite literally decades of evidence to the contrary, is the belief that immigrants are more likely to commit crime than the native-born.

This myth is so widespread and unquestioned that it has been the catalyst for scores of local governments to consider anti-immigrant ordinances over the past year. These calls to crack down on undocumented immigrants, the employers who hire them and the landlords who rent to them, are framed in part as “anti-crime” ordinances.

The city council of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, for instance, passed an ordinance last September claiming that “illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates” and that the council therefore must protect legal residents of the city from “crimes committed by illegal aliens.”

...Government and academic studies, however, have demonstrated repeatedly for over a century that immigrants actually are less likely to commit crimes than the native-born. Even though immigration has increased dramatically over the past decade and a half, the crime rate in the United States has declined.

Since 1994, the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States has more than doubled to 12 million. Immigrants, both legal and undocumented, now comprise just under 13 percent of the population. Yet, according to the FBI, between 1994 and 2005 the violent crime rate (murder, robbery, rape, assault) fell 34.2 percent and the property crime rate (burglary, theft) dropped 26.4 percent.

Cities with large and growing immigrant populations such as Los Angeles, New York, Miami and Chicago also experienced this downward trend in crime. If immigration—either legal or undocumented—were associated with crime, then crime rates should be rising.

An upcoming report from the Immigration Policy Center further dispels the notion that immigration and crime are connected. Using data from the 2000 Census, the report shows that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be behind bars. Among men age 18 to 39 (who comprise the vast majority of inmates in federal and state prisons and local jails), immigrants were five times less likely to be incarcerated than the native-born in 2000.

About 3.5 percent of native-born men were in prison, compared with 0.7 percent of foreign-born men. Immigrants from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala were much less likely to be in prison than native-born, non-Hispanic whites. Roughly 0.7 percent of foreign-born Mexican men and 0.5 percent of foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men were in prison, compared with 1.7 percent of native-born, non-Hispanic white men.

See here.

[Doug]

Even President Bush, whose perceived generosity to undocumented workers has earned him vilification on the right, commented in a speech this May that illegal immigration “strains state and local budgets and brings crime to our communities.”

So goes the conventional wisdom. But is it true? In fact, according to evidence cropping up in various places, the opposite may be the case. Ramiro Martinez Jr., a professor of criminal justice at Florida International University, has sifted through homicide records in border cities like San Diego and El Paso, both heavily populated by Mexican immigrants, both places where violent crime has fallen significantly in recent years. “Almost without exception,” he told me, “I’ve discovered that the homicide rate for Hispanics was lower than for other groups, even though their poverty rate was very high, if not the highest, in these metropolitan areas.” He found the same thing in the Haitian neighborhoods of Miami. In his book “New York Murder Mystery,” the criminologist Andrew Karmen examined the trend in New York City and likewise found that the “disproportionately youthful, male and poor immigrants” who arrived during the 1980s and 1990s “were surprisingly law-abiding” and that their settlement into once-decaying neighborhoods helped “put a brake on spiraling crime rates.”
The most prominent advocate of the “more immigrants, less crime” theory is Robert J. Sampson, chairman of the sociology department at Harvard. A year ago, Sampson was an author of an article in The American Journal of Public Health that reported the findings of a detailed study of crime in Chicago. Based on information gathered on the perpetrators of more than 3,000 violent acts committed between 1995 and 2002, supplemented by police records and community surveys, it found that the rate of violence among Mexican-Americans was significantly lower than among both non-Hispanic whites and blacks.

See here.

[Dardedar]

Holy crap, what a load of racist bullshit.

DAR
But Doug, it says right in the heading at heading of Agape Press that it is "Reliable News from a Christian Source." LOL.

Hey Bill, when you post your loads of racist bullshit, would you be kind enough to provide a link? That would be great. Thanks.

D.

[Hogeye]

Is Yick also named Bill?

FTR this Bill (Hogeye Bill) is for open borders and the disbandment of the INS and all border nazis. Obviously. I'm an anarchist. The lead article is a good example of lying with statistics. The main trick was using absolute counts ("More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war") rather than something more appropriate, like murder rates or risk. I.e. Iraq is about twice the size of Idaho, so comparison with the whole US is ridiculous. And the risk of being murdered for a Iraqi person is immensely greater than the risk of being murdered for an American.

Furthermore, even if immigrants had a higher murder perpetration rate, that would not imply that their rights should be violated. We have ample evidence that e.g. adolescent black males are more likely than the general population to commit crimes - but that doesn't mean we should round up and incarcerate teenage black males until they turn twenty. Crime has to do with individual culpability. You are not justified in punishing someone because what people like them, i.e. in the same arbitrary statistical grouping, are more likely to do on a probabilistic basis.

So not only is the article "lying" with statistics, but it implicitly assumes a grossly flawed notion of moral culpability.

[Barbara Fitzpatrick]

This is like the old bromide the anti-conservationist hand out about how there are more national forests now than there were when Columbus landed - nonsensically implying that there are more forests now. Of course there are more national forests than in 1492 since there weren't any then (but there were a heckuva lot more forests).

As to illegal aliens and crime - if you are living an illegal life, the one thing you don't want is to attract attention. Therefore you don't commit crimes, use social services, or even complain when the tax money you are paying goes to bloated white people who are trying to track you down and kick you out of the country publically while making even more megabucks off your underpaid work privately.

[Dardedar]

Using data from the 2000 Census, the report shows that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be behind bars. Among men age 18 to 39 (who comprise the vast majority of inmates in federal and state prisons and local jails), immigrants were five times less likely to be incarcerated than the native-born in 2000.

About 3.5 percent of native-born men were in prison, compared with 0.7 percent of foreign-born men. Immigrants from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala were much less likely to be in prison than native-born, non-Hispanic whites.

DAR
Note also that although the ratio of immigrants in jail is dispropotionately low, even this amount is artificially bumped up. Here's why:

"John Hagan of the University of Toronto and Alberto Palloni of the University of Wisconsin also found a weak link between immigration and crime.12 Examining criminal justice data in two U.S. border cities, El Paso and San Diego, Hagan and Palloni argued immigrants are disproportionately represented among prison inmates because of biases in processes that lead from pre-trial detention to sentencing. The criminal justice system views immigrants as potential "flight risks," they noted, and thus detains many suspects who otherwise (as citizens) would not be detained. The authors concluded that incarceration rates, depending on the national origin of the criminal, exaggerate by anywhere from three to seven times the crime rates of immigrants relative to citizens."

Source:
An Examination of U.S. Immigration Policy and Serious Crime

I recommend you read the above article Bill.

D.

[Dardedar]

DAR
See also:

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Posted: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 4:44PM

Study Finds Immigrant Crime Rates Comparatively Low

SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) -- Immigrants are responsible for a relatively low proportion of the crime rate in the United States, according to a new study from the University of California.

Amidst the sustained controversy over immigration, researchers poured over data from several sources, including reports from the Justice Department, the U.S. Census, the FBI and university studies going back 100 years to the last wave of immigration.

"All of which consistently and systematically concluded the same thing, namely, that immigrants have much lower rates of crime and of incarceration than the native born," said UC Irvine Sociology Professor Ruben Rumbaut.

Rumbaut is the lead author of the study for the Washington-based Immigration Policy Center.

"The last 10, 15 years or so we have seen the highest numbers of both legal and illegal immigration to the United States ever in history. And yet during the same period that immigration was surpassing historic highs, both the violent crime rate and the property crime rate in the United States has dropped significantly," he told KCBS’ Rebecca Corral.

One example included in the study is FBI data showing especially low homicide rates in American towns near the Mexico border communities with large immigrant populations."

link

DAR
A fluffly little small time news channel, but I can find the research behind it if you are interested.