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The citizenship test: New, improved and wrong

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I'll be taking the citizen test next month but it will be the old one.

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The citizenship test: New, improved and wrong

Only some of the answers on the government's new test are flat-out incorrect, but many are misleading to would-be students of the Constitution.

By Steven Lubet

Jan. 3, 2007 | With much fanfare, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service recently announced the introduction of a redesigned naturalization test. Trumpeted as a great improvement over the old examination, the new format will "focus on the concepts of democracy and the rights and responsibilities of citizenship." Some critics and immigrants' rights advocates have complained that the new citizenship test is too demanding, asking questions that nearly all Americans, whether native born or naturalized, would be hard-pressed to answer. But the degree of difficulty is not the only problem.

The pilot test and the approved answers (as posted on the USCIS Web site) are riddled with misinformation, inaccuracies and outright errors. As many as 19 of the 144 questions are flawed. They either are woefully ambiguous, or accept simplistic answers that are factually wrong, or exclude answers that are clearly correct. While none of the individual mistakes is earthshaking, the wrong answers will mislead earnest citizenship applicants who use the pilot test as a study guide. It will distort the constitutional understanding of thousands of would-be Americans, and actually penalize those who are the most serious students of the Constitution.

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Only U.S. citizens may apply for federal jobs (seriously wrong, especially given the context; permanent resident aliens -- meaning pretty much everybody who takes the citizenship test -- are eligible for employment by many agencies of the federal government, including the U.S. Postal Service).

"Inalienable rights" are "individual rights that people are born with" (wrong; inalienable rights are those that cannot be denied by government; they may or may not arise at birth; and some rights at birth are, in fact, alienable).

Everyone has the right to bear arms. (This is basically wrong, and probably ideologically motivated; the Second Amendment makes it clear that the right to bear arms is connected to a "well regulated militia," and the Supreme Court has held that this right does not belong to individuals -- and in any event, it is an "alienable" right, as in the case of convicted felons.)

And so on. There are half a dozen more like these, ranging from the subtly misleading to cringe-worthy. Although only one-eighth of the 144 pilot questions have imprecise or erroneous answers, the threat to hard-studying immigrants is palpable.

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Having as much as 1/8th of the test be wrong is or should be criminal. Remember that if the applicant gives 100% of correct answers (not likely) said applicant would still get a "B" status on the test. If they are allowed to keep a copy of their graded test, we have the even worse situation of people who were correct being "retrained" to be wrong. Of course, that's a fairly neocon/fundie way to control people - indoctrinate them with incorrect information.
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>>DAR
I'll be taking the citizen test next month but it will be the old one.<<

Congratulations!
This also means, assuming you pass, you will know more about the U.S. Constitution than 95% of 'natural born' citizens.
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I found them quite easy. Their booklet has the total 96 questions/answers (ten will be chosen at random for the actual test). Tamara ran through them with me and I got about 95% right the first time.
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Yeah, I saw some of these questions. Some of them bother me a great deal. Mostly though, they want simplistic answers to some complex questions. I would probably fail due to endless ranting.
But its a damn good thing all Americans don't have to take it. Imagine the horror.
Good luck Darrel. Make sure and give the desired simplistic answer.
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This reminds me of an episode of The Simpsons called "Much Apu about Nothing" where Apu takes his citizenship test:

Proctor: All right, here's your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War?
Apu: Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between the abolitionists and the anti-abolitionists, there were economic factors, both domestic and inter--
Proctor: Wait, wait... just say slavery.
Apu: Slavery it is, sir!
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HA, thats exactly what I was thinking about when I envisioned me taking it. Apu passed. I would probably fail.
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Same here - I'd flunk for arguing with the proctor. Actually, I wouldn't - I'm very good at taking tests - I usually know what answer they want and give it to them, even when I know it's wrong. The joys of "outcomes-based education" - mother called it mindf****** (OK, I don't feel comfortable writing what my momma called it on a public forum) - and a large chunk of what's wrong with America, not to mention American education. I think it's unfortunate that all Americans DON'T have to take that test - say at age 18, before they are allowed to vote (oops, THAT would open a whole other can of worms, wouldn't it). Oh well, they'd just gimmick the test to screw, I mean skew, the vote/voters.
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I don't think the old test, the one I will be taking, is all that bad. And I think they will work the bugs out of this one. It's a lot harder to put a good test together than people think, especially one involving politics.

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Darrel wrote:I don't think the old test, the one I will be taking, is all that bad. And I think they will work the bugs out of this one. It's a lot harder to put a good test together than people think, especially one involving politics.

You can take the test here.

Yeah, that test annoys me. Especially "Where does freedom of speech come from?" A: "The Bill of Rights". Um, no.

The BoR only says my freedom of speech can't be taken away by the government. The right to freedom of speech exists naturally. You can make laws that take them away or laws that say they can't be taken away, but laws can never create rights.

This is one of my biggest beefs with the government and politics today. And also my answer to "What is the basic belief of the Declaration of Independence?" Which was apparently only that all men are created equal. Nothing about the government be derived from the consent of the governed.

I also got "What special group advises the president?" wrong, but that was for a different reason.
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I doubt that any official government test will admit "what special group advises the president" - especially our current president.

I'll take another whack at the test soon - my computer died in the middle of it when I tried last time.
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