Good collection of Nazi-Christian photos

[Dardedar]

See here.



Priests giving the Hitler salute

Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.

[Barbara Fitzpatrick]

Can't really blame them for that one. Berlin in 1933? If you couldn't escape, you'd better salute. Now if you have pictures of them working with or saluting Hitler in 1925, THAT's another story.

[Tony]

Catholics largely accomodated Hitler, there were genuine frictions (think concordat). But most of Hitler's support came from Protestants. Overwhelmingly. Catholics got to keep their schools in exchange for not raising too much fuss about the regime. Good little WASPS were the meal ticket for National Socialism.

Xians like to say absurd things like "Xians were the biggest source of resistance to the Nazi's". Not true. There were some brave Xian resistors, but most resistance came from the secular socialists.

[Barbara Fitzpatrick]

On the other hand, the priest who became Pope John XXIII spent his time during the 30s and into the early 40s forging baptismal certificates for Jewish kids to keep them out of concentration camps. He couldn't have done that if he hadn't kept "a low profile" and saluted as necessary.

[cohen avshalom]

yes-but there are alote of case that priest that danger here own life and save life-so they were been some priest that had :"Priests giving the Hitler salute "-so what???

Cohen Avshalom Charly
Israel/haifa
icarus5

[Dardedar]

yes-but there are alote of case that priest that danger here own life and save life-so they were been some priest that had :"Priests giving the Hitler salute "-so what???

DAR
Glad you brought that up Cohen. That's a common myth put forward by revisionist Christians so it's good to take a moment and debunk it.

I have debated this one many times. He is a post I put together years ago:

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DAR
Hitler was supported by the VAST majority of the Christians in Germany. Consider:

Dr. Franklin Littell of Baylor University speaking at US Holocaust
Memorial Museum, on 12/8/93 had this to say:

"[The truth is that] six million Jews were targeted and
systematically murdered in the heart of Christendom, by baptized
Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox who were
never rebuked, let alone excommunicated." (source: Awake!
8/22/95, pg. 12)

Friedrich Heer, Roman Catholic professor of history at Vienna
University:
"In the cold facts of German history, the Cross and the swastika
came ever closer together, until the swastika proclaimed the
message of victory from the towers of German cathedrals, swastika
flags appeared round altars and Catholic and Protestant
theologians, pastors, churchmen and statesmen welcomed the
alliance with Hitler." (Ibid. pg., 13)

Again Professor Heer:
"Of about thirty-two Million German Catholics--fifteen and a
half million of whom were men--only seven [individuals] openly
refused military service. Six of these were Austrians."

The article then continues, "More recent evidence indicates that a
few other Catholics, as well as some Protestants, stood up against
the Nazi State because of religious convictions. Some even paid
with their lives, while at the same time their spiritual leaders were
selling out the Third Reich."

Paul Johnson's "History of Christianity" says: "Of 17,000
Evangelical pastors, there were never more than fifty serving long
term [for not supporting the Nazi regime] at any one time." (Ibid.)

"'It may be truthfully recalled that Christian churches, throughout
the ages, have always consented to bless war, troops, and arms and
that they prayed in a very unchristian for the annihilation of their
enemy.'" --Martin Neimoeller, a Protestant church leader who did
go to a Nazi concentration camp.

"Susannah Heschel, a professor of Judaic studies, uncovered
church documents proving that the Lutheran clergy were willing,
yes anxious, to support Hitler. She said they begged for the
privilege of displaying the swastika in their churches. The
overwhelming majority of clergymen were not coerced
collaborators, her research showed, but were enthusiastic
supporters of Hitler and his Aryan ideals." (Ibid. pg. 14)

Just one more: "In 1933 the Roman Catholic Church concluded a
concordat with the Nazis. Roman Catholic cardinal Faulhaber
wrote to Hitler: "This handshake with the Papacy. . . is a feat of
immeasurable blessing. ...May God preserve the Reich Chancellor
[Hitler]." (Ibid. pg. 14)
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DAR
The behavior of the Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox can be contrasted with that of the Jehovah's Witnesses. At the local level they did stand up against Hitler (while the leadership was trying to cut a deal behind doors). Over 5,000 of them we're killed in the camps for their resistance.

Hitler hated the JW's and specifically focused on them (they even had their own emblem, a purple star I think) because he couldn't control them as he did his Christian brethren. Rightly or wrongly, Christianity overwhelmingly went along with, blessed and supported Hitler. Germany was a very Christian country at that time (now it is about 1/2 atheist). If the Christians had stood up against the Nazis like the JW's did, Hitler wouldn't have gotten off the ground.

Why didn't they? Because of centuries of strong, ingrained, Christian anti-semitism. Especially in Germany where Lutheranism is strong. Luther hated the Jew's with a passion.

D.
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More:

The Catholic Bishops conference in 1933 "expressed joy that
through the new state Christianity had been promoted, morality
improved, and the struggle against Bolshevism and godlessness
conducted with energy and success." In the same year, 1933 "The
Catholic Students Union hails the National Socialist revolution
as the greatest spiritual breakthrough of our time."

In 1934, responding to an enquiry from the Ministry for Church
affairs, the Catholic Seamen's Mission listed the books and
papers they provided to seamen. The list included Hitler's own
anti- Semitic Mein Kampf, and the newspaper Volkischer
Beobachter.

In 1936, the Bishops of Hannover, Wurtemburg and Bavaria
signed a statement that said in part "We, together with the Reich
Church Committee, stand behind the Fuhrer in the life-struggle
of the German people against Bolshevism. In this struggle, the
Church mobilizes the forces of Christian belief against
unbelief."

In 1939, The Bishop of Hannover, Marahans, was one of the
signers of a statement that explained the need for the foundation
of an institute to "dejudaize" the Church. "The foundation of this
institute is based on the conviction that Jewish influence in all
areas of German life, including therefore that of the Church and
religion, must be brought to light and eliminated." At the
outbreak of war, the Protestant bishops signed a statement which
read in part "So at this hour too we join with our nation in
intercession for the Fuhrer and the Reich...."

In November 1941, the Vicar General of the Diocese of
Rottenburg wrote "The fact that so many believing soldiers are
among the lists of the fallen justifies the conclusion that it is
above all those soldiers with true Christian belief who have
helped to win the great victories."

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"Bible-based anti-Jewish bigotry bolstered the
Third Reich. Julian Streicher, chief Nazi ideologist of anti-
Semitism and founder of "Der Sturmer," the most notoriously
vile anti-Semitic publication, recommended "the extermination
of the people whose father is the Devil." In case you don't
recognize it, Streicher is recalling Jesus' "love-filled" bigotry
from the "divinely inspired" Bible (John 8:44). At his Nuremberg
trial, Streicher said he had never said anything about the Jews
that Martin Luther hadn't said four hundred years earlier; they
were just doing their god's work in the rise of Nazism."

DAR
I will limit myself to four quotes from Martin Luther's anti-Jewish rant:

Martin Luther quotes from his "On the Jews and Their Lies":

Luther's Introduction:
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews
or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and
accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that
is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I
might be found among those who opposed such poisonous
activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their
guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian
could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and
wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the
world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task,
not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help
us. Amen.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers"
[Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and
race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18].
Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in
John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye
would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil.
It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's
but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that
wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den
of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and
defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and
veheming his eyes on them.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat
no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not
stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury.
Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by
theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most
impenitent security.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

I have dozens more....

[cohen avshalom]

Darrel
for me this era-was a era-when the devil had rise his head.
people had to do what he said else they were paying big personal price.
but the worst think was-that the jewish people never claim that germany,u.s.a,russia,poland,englang or any other country should be a jewish country-they only like to live and work there.
they never said that christian is not good,they just like to live by there on way of living.
and this was the reason why they got die-by million of them-since they were beliving that all the bad thinks will disappear.
they were not voilance people-and they were keeping the laws(of the local country).
today peoples understanding that without the jewish people you are losting a lote of knowleage-and royal citizen.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5

[Dardedar]

DAR
I agree Cohen. Regarding this:

COHEN
people had to do what he [Hitler] said else they were paying big personal price.

DAR
That's true. So I am not saying that resistance was necessarily the best personal strategy. If you were one of the 5,000 JW's killed, it probably wasn't. But it seems that those few who did stand up and resist going along with Hitler (and assisting his war machine) should be honored for that moral stand and their sacrifice as opposed to the great crowd that took the comfortable path of appeasement. If all of German Christianity (or even a great portion of it) stood up against Hitler, he wouldn't have gotten off the ground. Instead, Christianity and the Bible were his foundation and his core constituency.

A lot of people don't know this. Christians have been pretty successful at minimizing this information. In fact, probably a majority of Christians believe that Hitler was an atheist, which is absurd.

See Hitler's Christianity.

D.
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The Nazi slogan:



"...the Nazi military wore belt buckles on which was the legend Gott Mit Uns ("God with us"), and much of his political philosophy was adapted from the Bible. Hitler would not have been successful without the support of German Christians."
LINK

[cohen avshalom]

Darrel:
well a man that case the death of 100,000,000 people has a great connection with the devil.(if he is not the one).
what he was saying that he is believing with(this is only to get a reason that people will go after him)-he maybe born christain-but all he was doing-is a satan work.
well the satan found the man that will do his work-but who know the next time he could come with a muslim man??or other??

icarus5

[Doug]

well the satan found the man that will do his work-but who know the next time he could come with a muslim man??or other? icarus5

DOUG
Hitler is villified for having put to death millions of people, including 6 million Jews.

But that does not in itself show that he did the work of Satan, according to the Bible. In the Hebrew Bible, God orders many of his representatives to commit genocide. It was God's command:

1 Samuel 15:
1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

These order were given to Moses, Saul, David, Joshua, etc. So committing genocide was the Lord's work.

Jeremiah 48:10
"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!"

So with this in mind, on what grounds can someone say that Hitler was not doing the will of God? The God-ordered genocide in the Bible made it easy for Christians in Germany, Austria, etc. to accept that Hitler was doing the will of God.

It's not as if God himself hadn't been depicted in the Bible as being against the Israelites:

Ezekiel 5:8 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself am against you, Jerusalem, and I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations. 9 Because of all your detestable idols, I will do to you what I have never done before and will never do again. 10 Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers. I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds. 11 Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your vile images and detestable practices, I myself will withdraw my favor; I will not look on you with pity or spare you. 12 A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you; a third will fall by the sword outside your walls; and a third I will scatter to the winds and pursue with drawn sword.

13 "Then my anger will cease and my wrath against them will subside, and I will be avenged. And when I have spent my wrath upon them, they will know that I the LORD have spoken in my zeal.

14 "I will make you a ruin and a reproach among the nations around you, in the sight of all who pass by. 15 You will be a reproach and a taunt, a warning and an object of horror to the nations around you when I inflict punishment on you in anger and in wrath and with stinging rebuke. I the LORD have spoken. 16 When I shoot at you with my deadly and destructive arrows of famine, I will shoot to destroy you. I will bring more and more famine upon you and cut off your supply of food. 17 I will send famine and wild beasts against you, and they will leave you childless. Plague and bloodshed will sweep through you, and I will bring the sword against you. I the LORD have spoken."

[cohen avshalom]

Doug
first of all-greeting to meet you-but you was giving us plea-for justify crime by plea for other case.

this is like saying i am stealing because all the people do that.
you should separate every case by himself:

the first case hitler case -he made a tremendous harm-not only for the jewish-also for all the people that were being involved were he put his feet-even his own people-that got destroy country(and millions of dead,and all the country-infrastructure).

the second case:fact -who many people kills the jewish people at germany/or europe for the last 2,000 years???
base by your a argue...
did they intend to kill the germany because they are christain/or germany??(hope you will say no-why should they??)

does any jewish say that there are any other country that should be jewish country else then Israel??
my opinion:it is that the only land that the jewish people have should be at israel-but if they like to work or to live at other place-this is there will(but this is not there homeland,this is my opinion and a large of people that living at israel).
and israel is the only place that should be jewish country-not canada,not usa,not part at russia,and not part at africa).

about the killing order that you gave:the killing as a basic rule of that time(era) at the time of the old bible-,was command
and particular at the time of war-and all over the old world.

there are a good chance that the interpretation for god wish-was basing on the initially knowledge by the hearing(let's assume that :god was saying -->get out that people from that land-i mean : grape juice this country),then if the man that hear that wish -was acting by the way that he is knowing -from the neighborhood country way-then he was acting by the way he is knowing.
because he was using the personal interpretation.
he didnt passing the message by the origin,and mix that with a self interpretation that base on initially knowledge .

any way i dont like any violence,and any death that you can prevent-he is unnecessary (ask any soldier that lost his only sun)-i hope no one will lost someone that he is love becasue of stupid,argumentation.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5