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The Three Trillion Dollar War

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Three trillion American dollars, laid end to end, would stretch the 90+ million miles from the earth to the sun, and then back to the earth and then to the Sun once again and then still have a couple million miles left over.

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The true cost of the Iraq War is $3 trillion—and counting—rather than the $50 billion projected by the White House.

Apart from its tragic human toll, the Iraq War will be staggeringly expensive in financial terms. This sobering study by Nobel Prize winner Joseph E. Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda J. Bilmes casts a spotlight on expense items that have been hidden from the U.S. taxpayer, including not only big-ticket items like replacing military equipment (being used up at six times the peacetime rate) but also the cost of caring for thousands of wounded veterans—for the rest of their lives. Shifting to a global focus, the authors investigate the cost in lives and economic damage within Iraq and the region. Finally, with the chilling precision of an actuary, the authors measure what the U.S. taxpayer's money would have produced if instead it had been invested in the further growth of the U.S. economy. Written in language as simple as the details are disturbing, this book will forever change the way we think about the war.

About the Author
Winner of the 2001 Nobel Prize in Economics, Joseph E. Stiglitz of Columbia University is the author of Making Globalization Work and Globalization and Its Discontents. Linda J. Bilmes, a professor of public finance at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, is a former assistant secretary for management and budget in the U.S. Department of Commerce.

See also this article in Salon

The cold price of hot blood

A devastating new book reveals that Iraq will cost the U.S. at least $3 trillion. Will Americans check their pocketbooks the next time a president tries to sell them on a cheap, glorious war?

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"To put Stiglitz and Bilmes' $3 trillion in perspective, it's worth comparing it to the cost estimates Bush officials bandied about before the war began. The authors present a damning "Nightline" transcript in which one official, Andrew Natsios, blandly told Ted Koppel that Iraq could be completely reconstructed for only $1.7 billion. (With the war now costing $12.5 billion a month, Natsios' estimate would have been accurate if he had stipulated that it would pay for four days' worth of reconstruction. Which, considering the delusional nature of most of the Bush administration's pre-invasion estimates, may have been how long it thought it would take to rebuild the country.) Other officials settled on a figure of $50 billion to $60 billion. Larry Lindsey, Bush's economic advisor, went way out on a limb, suggesting that the war might cost $200 billion -- a figure derided by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as "baloney." Rumsfeld refused even to offer a range of estimates, saying, "I've already decided that. It's not useful." He was right: It would not have been useful for those ginning up support for a war to predict that it might cost $3 trillion.

In 2005, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the war had so far cost about $500 billion. That figure was obviously far higher than initial Bush administration estimates, but Stiglitz and Bilmes suspected it was still much too low. After researching the issue, they published a paper in January 2006 that conservatively estimated that the true cost of the war would be between $1 trillion and $2 trillion. Even at the time, they regarded that estimate as excessively conservative, but didn't want to appear extreme. Stiglitz and Bilmes' book, which is based on that paper, doubles their earlier estimates to $3 trillion, making Iraq the second most expensive war in U.S. history, trailing only World War II, which cost an adjusted $5 trillion (and in which 16.3 million Americans served in the armed forces, with 400,000 dying). But the authors regard even their new figure as conservative: Their estimates range from $2 trillion, in the best-case scenario in which the U.S. withdraws all combat troops by 2012 and fewer veterans need medical and disability pay, to more than $5 trillion. Add in the cost to the rest of the world, and the price tag could exceed $6 trillion.

As the authors detail, the Bush administration has used every trick in the book to hide the real price tag -- concealing non-combat casualty figures, keeping double sets of books, not factoring in support troops, and allowing the Pentagon to produce budgets so contradictory, obscure and incompetently presented that there is literally no way to determine how much it has spent. The authors had to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain much of the information in their book."

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And another cost:

Iraqi Christians cling to last, waning refuges

By Sam Dagher

BARTELLA, Iraq - The bullets lay on the desk amid Bibles and rosaries. They're for two pistols owned by Father Ayman Danna.

"The only solution left for our people is to bear arms. We either live or die. We must be strong," says the Syriac Catholic priest at the Church of Saint George in Bartella, a northern Iraqi town in a swath of fertile land called the Nineveh Plain that now has the largest concentration of a dwindling Christian community.

The Christians who fled sectarian persecution that followed the US invasion in 2003 are now battling to hold onto one of their final refuges. They are increasingly besieged by Sunni Arab militants on one side and by Kurdish ultranationalists on the other – both of whom have different agendas for the area.

In a sign of how grim the situation has become, Paulos Faraj Rahho, archbishop of the Chaldean Catholic Church in nearby Mosul, was kidnapped last Friday and three of his companions were killed.

On Tuesday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said everything must be done to secure Archbishop Rahho's release, days after Pope Benedict XVI described his abduction as "abominable." Sources in the Nineveh Plain say the kidnappers are asking for $1 million in exchange for Rahho's release.

Rahho is among nearly a dozen priests who have been kidnapped in Mosul since 2003. Many more ordinary Christians have been abducted. In most cases, a ransom was paid to free the priests, the sources say. Three priests were assassinated.

System of extortion

Christian churches in Baghdad, Kirkuk, and Mosul have been bombed throughout the war. Now, priests and others in Nineveh Plain say they pay large sums of money to Al Qaeda-linked militants in Mosul, the provincial capital, in exchange for protection for themselves and their churches.

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Yep, for the cost of the war, we could have provided Canadian or any other decent nation's style national healthcare to all Americans.
We're gonna pay a big price for this. Vietnam ruined our economy, and helped reduce social programs and spending. Same here. The price of empire...overreach.

Do you know how silly I feel studying History, when the world doesn't ever learn a damn thing from history? (Sigh).
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Tony wrote:Yep, for the cost of the war, we could have provided Canadian or any other decent nation's style national healthcare to all Americans.
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We could probably provide "Canadian or any other decent nation's style national healthcare to all Americans" for less than we spend now. Consider:

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"Per capita spending—provincial and territorial comparisons

Another way this report looks at health care spending in Canada is by showing what is spent per person. For 2005, CIHI expects per capita spending to reach $4,411, an increase of 6.9% over 2004.

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International comparisons
Just as there is variation in per capita health care spending across Canada, there is considerable variation among countries. In this report, CIHI compares Canada’s health care spending to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries with similar accounting systems. Of the 16 countries in this category, the United States spent the most per capita ($5,635) in 2003, the latest year for which data are available. Norway, Switzerland and Canada followed with per capita spending of $3,807, $3,781 and $3,001, respectively. Turkey spent the least per capita on health care ($513), just below Mexico ($583). Per capita spending is measured in U.S. dollars."

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A friend of mine told me this morning that if the US spending on healthcare was calculated as a tax and then compared to Canada's tax rate on a median income family four, the result is 28% rate for Canadians and 55% rate on Americans. It would be MUCH less expensive for us to go to a Canadian-style health care system over what we spend now, never mind Iraqi spending.

The current administration doesn't expect to spend $3 trillion on this war because they aren't interested in covering the costs of vets/vet healthcare, or any other costs other than handing "bags of bootle" over to their no-bid contracter cronies.
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